Goatriders of the Apocalypse

The RBI Question

I'm going to try to address the "RBI Question" by looking at two consecutive years in the career of Brian Giles.

 

In 2004, Giles had an OPS+ of 128. In 159 games played, he had 94 RBI. As a team, the Padres scored 768 runs that year.

 

In 2005, Giles had an OPS+ of 146. In 158 games played, he had 83 RBI. As a team, the Padres scored 684 runs that year.

 

Giles hit third both seasons, had the same home park, played almost the exact same number of games each year. Presumably, his "clutch" ability was the same both years.

 

This is what I mean when I say RBIs have very little to do with the guy at the plate. He could be an awful hitter, or he could be a fantastic hitter, but HOLDING ALL OTHER FACTORS CONSTANT, his RBI total will vary dramatically based on the other hitters on his team.

 

So, miltie, are you still worried about Dunn's "clutch" factor? Or do you think he might be able to knock some more runs in if he were brought on to a team with a competent offense?

 

 

"In 2004, Giles had an OPS+

"In 2004, Giles had an OPS+ of 128. In 159 games played, he had 94 RBI. As a team, the Padres scored 768 runs that year.

In 2005, Giles had an OPS+ of 146. In 158 games played, he had 83 RBI. As a team, the Padres scored 684 runs that year."

I'm not disputing that who is in front of a cleanup hitter has an impact on one's RBI #'s.

In addition whether or not you meant to include "HOLDING ALL OTHER FACTORS CONSTANT" in your statement is anyone's guess but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I never mentioned anything about Dunn not being clutch, if by clutch we mean he has ice in his veins when he is in a pressure situation. I don't know the guy and to be quite honest I can't stand when people play armchair psychologist and pretend to know what goes through a player's head in a particular situation.

What I have stated is that Dunn's RBI #'s with RISP don't look spectacular considering that he has a 500 + SLG and hits 40 HR's a year. My GUESS is that compared to other 500 SLG hitters his RBI production with RISP is probably amongst the worst. What is the reason for this? It's not the # of AB's with RISP.

DeRosa and Dunn have basically the same # of AB's with RISP. Yet it appears as if DeRosa, albeit slightly, outperforms Dunn in this category. When I saw this it surprised me. (This was based on numbers for the last 3 years.)

The best explanation I could come up with is that in this particular category Dunn's batting average is hurting him to the extent that the high SLG does not look so awesome anymore.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think this info is relevant.

Now in terms of Dunn hitting in a shittier offense maybe that explains some of this. However, I included the analysis of Adian Beltre's numbers in this category and adjusting for the number of AB's, except for last year, Dunn's #'s still don't seem to be that favorable in comparison.

rbis be meaningless

i'm too lazy to investigate, but if anyone is looking for a project, why don't you compare the runs scored per game of the reds and the d-backs for 2008, pre and post dunn trade?

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