Goatriders of the Apocalypse

Milton, don't go away mad, baby, just go away

Last night, even though we were blown out by the worst team in baseball, Don't Wake Daddy his own self went four-for-four with a dinger, so he felt like talking.  Lucky us.

The result?  The headline in the Tribune today?  "Bradley - I face hatred on a daily basis".  He goes on to outline that he is never comfortable playing in Wrigley Field.  That's pretty troublesome, since he has to play there half the time.  He was also asked if he felt his team was demoralized.  To his credit, he didn't flip out the stock "no" that other guys would, but offered a "I don't have a politically correct way to answer that, so I won't".  In other words, Yes.

Look, folks.  I know what a troublemaker sounds like when he talks.  I know what a rabblerouser says when he's speaking.  I speak the language of the disgruntled.  This is one disgruntled, rabblerousing troublemaker.  This is not a healthy influence.  Sure, he isn't just lying around all fat and happy, like a few of his peers. (Cough*Soriano*Cough).  I honestly don't mind friction, we lacked it last year.  But this isn't the kind of friction we want.  This isn't the friction of a finely tuned machine generating torque.  This is the friction of ill-fitting parts rubbing against one another.

In terms of on-the-field misery, Milton is not in the top 5 in "why we suck this year".  Off the top of my head, you have to figure "Soriano's year-long slump", "Ramirez' dislocated shoulder". "Gregg's deft touch with a gas can", "Soto showing up fat, drunk, and stupid", and "the great sucking chasm just to the right of the second base bag" as more compelling reasons why we lose.  For all his failings, the man fields his position adequately, hasn't made any serious baserunning blunders, and is still getting on base 40% of the time.  These are good things, and to the right team, have value.

In other words, Milton Bradley has not lost the 2009 season for us.  But he sure as hell isn't winning the 2010, or any other years' season for us, either.  He has a negative approach to life, and certainly to baseball.  He would be most happy in an environment without pressure, without expectations, and with as little criticism as humanly possible.  As you all well know, the North Side of Chicago is NOT that kind of place.  Sure, there are still the blue kool-aid swilling, rose-colored shades wearing, bleating sheep who still sit in the bleachers and root for our guys while down 9 runs in the bottom of the ninth against Washington. 

(Aside: if you're the Where's Waldo shirt-wearing dork in the bleachers last night that was repeatedly being shown in the ninth, really, man.  It is Time To Re-Evaluate.  I can't BELIEVE I live on the same PLANET as you, let alone the same country or the same state.  Get a clue, man!)

But more and more of us every day have higher expectations than to just see guys run out and run back in.  So we boo.  Big rippin' deal!!  The first order of business for the off-season is to try to maximize the trade return for this guy.  Once again, he isn't the worst on-field performer we have.  But he is, by far, the worst off-field performer.  We took a chance, on a guy who has never had a long-term contract before, on the notion that some long-term security would calm the savage beast.  It hasn't, not by a long shot.  It happens, too bad.  Now, fix it.

He is the poster boy for Clubhouse Cancer.  Let's all band together, and stamp out Clubhouse Cancer in our lifetimes!  Tell me what effin' color ribbon I have to put on the bumper of my car, and I'll buy the damn thing, and display it proudly, if it means this guy soils somebody else's laundry next year!


Well, one good thing about the Bradley acquisition is that we have shown that he can play rightfield on an almost consistent basis and he has been relatively healthy.

Another thing if he tried to play in St. Louis, he would experience more hate. I was sitting in the outfield listening to Cards fans scream at Fukudome, "Go back to Korea, Ching Chong Man!!!!" At the very least, Cubs fans are more intelligent with their hate.

True dat

makes it easier to trade him. KC needs a right fielder, don't they?

Bradley for Teahan?

Is that the trade you were thinking?

Cub Fans

are more intelligent with their hate? I'm going to use this forum right here, since it is very very significant in the grand scheme of things to say that Cub fans, by in large, are morons. Cub fans wearing fake karate bands are so much more clever and cool!

"He is the poster boy for Clubhouse Cancer. Let's all band together, and stamp out Clubhouse Cancer in our lifetimes!"

What is a Clubhouse Cancer? From what I've heard of Milton's previous teammates, they liked him. He had that issue when Soriano called him out, but does that somehow signify how everyone feels about him, and how he is in the clubhouse? Does a Clubhouse Cancer make everyone play poorly? Did he make Soriano, Soto, Fontenot, and himself suck this year? (Milton's actually about an average player this year... first time for him in a few years, IIRC) Milton's ability to be an asshole has affected this club none this year.

What is your trip?

Seriously man, what is your deal? The headbands are not meant to bash Fukudome, but considering all the racial epitaphs I have heard in and around Busch Stadium I can tell you there are worse places to play when you are not playing well than Wrigley.

As far as Cubs fans being more intelligent in their hate, I never said it was good thing. I merely stated that it was at least better than the gibberish I have heard in Busch Stadium by those fairweather fans.

My issue with Bradley is not that he is a jackass. It is because Hendry brought him in for the wrong reasons. Bradley is not a run producer. He is a player who gets on base at a decent clip.

My trip?

They might not have been meant to bash him but it just clearly shows the ignorance of people (i.e. The Horry Cow shirts). I, too, have been to Busch. Probably 15-20 times (3 at Wrigley) as I live close to there. I have not really heard too much crap there. I mean, you have the meathead fans there too, but my point is that they are everywhere. While you may think the Cubs fans are clever, I just find them to be par for the course. The only thing I'll say about STL fans is that they're not the best fans in baseball. I hate that. It's stupid. However, I do have an irrational hatred for Cubs fans, and I can sum it up in one statement: The irrational love for Nobel Peace prize winner Stubble DeRosa has made me hate the fanbase I am a part of.

Rob, I've worked with negative people. The person I directly work with is a complete bitch and I hate her. That doesn't make me work poorly. That may make our communication strain, and I could see that being an issue, but at the same time, I ask you this hypothetical: Does the fact that Soriano hates Milton affect him chasing outside sliders? And being a crappy fielder?

Kurt, We can agree that Milton is a jackass. That I can agree on. Because I don't like the man's character won't make me dislike him on the baseball field.

Would you also agree that

Would you also agree that whether he's a "cancer" or not, his bad attitude probably affects how HE plays?

Personally I've worked at two different places the last two years ... one was a very difficult place to work where many of the revolving-door employees were miserable people ... I thrived there, but my hatred of the job absolutely affected my health, my mindset, and my productivity. The second place (where I'm at now) has a completely different atmopshere, and although they often have me working extremely menial tasks I enjoy it and I'm happy ... which probably has a positive effect on my productivity.

I have a feeling that if there's an antagonistical attitude in the clubhouse, it might impact a player's mindset ... and I'm pretty sure most people would agree that focus plays a part in a person's success in a professional sport (just ask Scott Eyre pre-ADHD drugs).

I doubt Soriano actively thinks about Milton Bradley when he chases those sliders, but if he hated Bradley so much that it was impacting his attitude on a daily basis, then that might hurt Sori's production. (But I think that players hating each other THAT much is probably pretty rare, and not likely ocurring this year in the clubhouse.)

Going back to Rob's point, I think it's more likely that Bradley's bad attitude/general douchiness probably impacts himself more than it does his teammates. If the entire team dislikes him, they can just ignore him.

Aw crap. I capitalized "HE"

Aw crap. I capitalized "HE" for no apparent reason. Does that mean Wrigleyville23 gets to feel superior to me too?

All fan bases have idiots

I lived in St. Louis for 11 years. I have been to about 50 games in that time. I have gotten into one fight and nearly into 3 others for just wearing my Cubs gear outside. Granted in that city it may have hurt my cause by being brown and being surrounded by drunken hoosiers. (Wow I just pulled a Bradley/Hawkins/Jacque Jones) In St. Louis, race is an issue. In Chicago, race is an issue when you suck.

I never said Cubs fans are clever. I said there are more clever than Cards fans. Then again Cards fans have a whole joke book about Cubs fans.

Here is one of their favorite jokes:

Q: How many gays does it take to push over a car?

A: We don't know the Cubs have never won a World Series.

St. Louis <> civil rights

granted, it is the most southern town that I have spent more than a week in. (I consulted there for four months). But there definitely is still segregation. We think Chicago is bad, and point to places like Cottage Grove Blvd as proof. Ain't even close to the Kingshighway.

What's the places called just down the road from Lambert Airport, full of the projects? Bellefontaine Neighbors, or something like that?.

North St. Louis

Kinloch, Jennings, Wellston, Beverly Hills, yes there are a lot of segregated areas in St. Louis. Even where Sportsman's Park used to stand on North Grand is considered Ghetto.

I think it was Beverly Hills

that was where the bank operating center was where I did my consulting. I remember first hearing about it..."You will be based in Beverly Hills, MO.." I was excited, thinking it was a high class joint. Yup yup.

Perhaps Bradley doesn't overtly antagonize his teammates

the way that Sosa and Bonds seemed to in their heyday. But I'm not sure I follow you and your analogy of your co-worker. I daresay you might do better work if you worked with somebody you cared for. You would perhaps put in that extra n-th percent so that you all looked good.

Guys are not going to give their extra n-th to help Bradley, either conciously or unconciously, because #1, he does not give off a pleasant vibe, and #2, it is clear he is in this for himself. This is probably what got Lou mad, and the rest of them.


Maybe you've never had to play on a team with a negative person, or work with one, or live with one. If not, then by God, you are truly blessed, and it might explain exactly WHY you made this comment.

Would YOU want to play with a man who publicly makes statements the way he does? Were you paying attention the night that Lou Piniella called him a piece of shit? Did you not notice several teammates, such as Lee, Soriano, and Zambrano, publicly proclaiming their support FOR Lou AGAINST Bradley?

I am aware that guys in Texas last year claimed they liked playing with him. So they can have him back, because guys in Chicago this year do NOT like playing with him.


Why do you oddly capitalize random words?

EMPHASIS: 1. special

1. special importance or significance; "the red light gave the central figure increased emphasis"; "the room was decorated in shades of grey with ...
2. vehemence: intensity or forcefulness of expression; "the vehemence of his denial"; "his emphasis on civil rights"
3. special and significant stress by means of position or repetition e.g.
4. stress: the relative prominence of a syllable or musical note (especially with regard to stress or pitch); "he put the stress on the wrong syllable"

1. of an angle; between 90 and 180 degrees
(of a leaf shape) rounded at the apex
2. lacking in insight or discernment; "too obtuse to grasp the implications of his behavior"; "a purblind oligarchy that flatly refused to see that history was condemning it to the dustbin"- Jasper Griffin
3. dense: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity; "so dense he never understands anything I say to him"; "never met anyone quite so dim"; "although dull at classical learning, at mathematics he was uncommonly quick"


But I would argue that good writers can do so without the odd capitalization.

I get the impression that

I get the impression that Bradley is blaming Cub fans for his "average" season.

I don't believe that Cub fans in general are any tougher on their players than the fans of any other team. Bradley would probably struggle with boos just as much had he signed with the Phillies -- where Philadelphians are truly harsh on poor play. He said earlier this year that he doesn't hear the fans, which is obviously untrue, and I question his ability to produce to the team's expectations if he can't handle being booed when he sucks.

"What is a Clubhouse Cancer?" I'd say Sammy Sosa was probably one of those, Yeti. He divided the team when he was there and he was so despised by some of his teammates that they destroyed his property after he wore out his welcome. But for people who honestly believe that attitudes and behaviors of athletes have no effect on how a team performs, I suggest you look into your personal work experience to a time when you were working with somebody you flat-out hated, who annoyed/antagonized you, who you couldn't stand the sight of. Maybe that person didn't affect your attitude, and maybe even if he/she did your attitude didn't affect how well you did your job, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as players turning it off and focusing during game time.

That said, I don't think Bradley is a clubhouse cancer, just like LaTroy Hawkins wasn't even while he was calling Cub fans racist for booing his shitty performances. But I think we can perhaps agree on calling Milton a miserable human being.

Don't get me started of Philadelphia fans

That is where I lived before I moved to the Midwest. Those clownshoes booed Mike Schmidt and threw ice balls at Santa Claus!!!!!!!!

That being said I think the Cubs fans are in love with their hardworking mediocre players. I mean looks at how many fans were excited by Fontenot and Murton playing over the last few years. At times, I felt we viewed Fontenot as the second coming of Joe Morgan.


You mean the EXTREMELY WHITE* Fontenot and Murton?

(*shit, there I go again)

All Cubs Fans are Racists

You could tell in the way we used to bow before the greatness of Andre Dawson, or in the way we all went gaga over Jerome Walton and Dwight Smith in 1989 (1989?). Perhaps for a further glimpse, we can look at how we, as fans, treated some others, like Ernie Banks, Lee Smith, Sammy Sosa (I know, I know, he "doesn't count" because he's Dominican).

Huh, ya know what's funny, all of those guys were great (remember, I indicated just one year for Walton & Smith)...none of them sucked!

Granted, there are probably fans out there, when venting regarding a player's suckitude, will use whatever they think will get the reaction they're hoping for out of a player, or whatever will strike a nerve. For those few idiots, this comes down to the player's race if the player is African-American. For others, they might make "mother jokes". This doesn't mean he's playing in a racist atmosphere. There are tens of thousands of "boos" from not living up to anything resembling the proper potential, among maybe 2-3 racist comments. He's hearing those 2-3 and applying them to the rest, not realizing they'd all be silenced, but for a lack of suckitude.

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