If Fukudome is underrated, then what is Ryan Theriot?
Apparently the guys who frequent Desipio -- and Desipio spin-off Hire Jim Essian -- are not particularly fond of being mentioned in other places. A couple of days ago I did just that in this article, where I highlighted the debate on the value of Kosuke Fukudome which had been started on the Desipio forums.
A loyal Goat Reader who wishes to remain anonymous EMailed me the following discussion:
Bort "Pretty awesome of Kurt to take his bitchfest to GROTA."
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater "Kurt is such a douche."
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater "He seriously cried wee wee wee all the way home to his queercastke* of wrong at GROTA."
(*I think he meant "queercastle")
ChuckDickens "F**king Kurt posts a rebuttal at GROTA?"
ChuckDickens "Is that a canard to get me to read his site or something?"
SKO "and then he name drops you and Pre like anyone there would know who the f**k that was"
T to E to C "he posted the rebuttal at GROTA because he figured no one would read it if it was over there"
I'm not sure if T to E to C meant to say that GROTA has no readers, or I was expecting nobody from Desipio to notice. Either way I posted the "rebuttal" because it's an interesting debate topic about the Cubs** in which a pack of idiots -- that would apparently include you, T to E to C -- took a ridiculous stance apparently for the simple reason that I took the opposite one. The response to my post, ironically a major bitch fest by several individuals, is pretty damned funny.
(**GROTA, being predominately a content-hungry website that covers the Cubs seems like the ideal place to debate the merits of a player like Fukudome, incidentally)
RV "Kurt just wanted to make sure there was absolutely zero doubt that he's an insufferable pudleak."
SKO "i used to feel sorry for Kurt. i thought he was an awkward but well meaning guy that everyone mercilessly attacked."
SKO "i see now that he's just a completely oblivious twit"
Mr. Tank "There's nothing more interesting for the readers of you blog than a recap of an internet discussion you've had somewhere else"
T to E to C "I used to read GROTA regularly like three years ago. Now I wonder what the hell was wrong with me back then."
Thanks for all the love, guys. Again, stay classy with the sniveling hatefest directed toward me. All I did was highlight a ridiculous stance ChuckD had on the value of Kosuke Fukudome on this, a Cubs blog. All you did was rattle off insults highlighting what tremendous folks you are. And while I'm sure that some Goat Readers have never heard of any of you, the Cubs blogging community isn't so big. Surely some people here know "who the f**k that was" and have their own bad experiences with your crowd.
Anyway, I bring the topic up again for two reasons -- first because it obviously annoyed the holy hell out of them, and second because the fallacy of their Fuku-love is hypocritically contrasted by their lukewarm feelings toward Ryan Theriot, the topic of this article.
Theriot, you may have heard, is an average-at-best shortstop with no base running skills and a terrible defensive ability.
For example -- we learned last week that Fukudome's season, as determined by wRC, puts him in elite company (ignoring the 70-or-so players who have better wRC than him this season). Theriot at this moment has a very similar wRC to Fukudome -- 65.3 to Kosuke's 67.7. Since we've already established that some people mistakenly feel that Fooky's wRC is something special, then I'm sure these same jabrones have a similar appreciation for the year Theriot is having. Except, they might argue, Theriot's defensive value detracts from his contributions compared with the stellar-gloved Fukudome.
But Fangraphs tells us something interesting -- according to the UZR stat, Theriot is a Top 10 defensive shortstop in all of baseball with an UZR/150 of 3.2. For comparisson's sake, Fukudome is 11th amongst all center fielders, with an UZR/150 of -5.2***. In the NL alone, Theriot is 5th best defensively, while Kosuke is 7th best.
(***-5.2?!? So much for being near Gold-Glove caliber)
Mix that in with Fangraphs' estimated value of Theriot compared with Fukudome -- $11.4 to $13.4, (with a WAR of 2.5 to 3.0). In other words, while Fukudome has been slightly more valuable to the Cubs than Theriot (until you consider that Kosuke is making perhaps 24 times as much money, if not more), where's the Cajun Love from the Desipio crowd?
After my Fukudome article, AJ posted one regarding his opinion that the Cubs' CF is the MVP of the team. I won't contest that, first because part of Fukudome's value is the fact that he's not easily replaced, and second because on this under-performing team it makes perfect sense that such an average player would be one of the best in the lineup. But if we're going to make our judgment on the Cubs players based purely on an analytical, statistical outlook, then Theriot should not be overlooked. Like a lot of people out there I would support his move to second base, but he's apparently been a pretty decent shortstop this year despite what biased public sentiment might be.
As for the Desipio guys, I like many of them and respect their opinions. It's a little unfortunate that some of them have to be so hostile toward people they dislike -- and they certainly present themselves in an extremely unpleasant manner the majority of the time -- but hey, they're the funniest guys on the internet. Just ask them.
Anyway, I've never said GROTA is the best Cubs blog on the net -- I can easily think of a bunch that are funnier, and more analytical, and more compelling. And if you'd like to see for yourself some of the personal blogs of the guys who think I am an "insufferable pudleak" living in my "queercastke of wrong at GROTA" then feel free to follow these links:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater -- Wrigleyville23, named apparently after his love of the Chicago neighborhood with the highest quantity of puke per square mile and his love of Ryne Sandberg. DKN only contributes sparringly to this blog.
Slaky - Slak's Index, a blog that is apparently about Slaky's music tastes, because that's what the internet needed -- another music blog by some guy nobody cares about
Eli - Eli Gieryna, the internet's least-prolific blogger, which sort of resembles a bot-created phish site
SKO - Start Kyle Orton ... considering that SKO hasn't apparently invested any money in his blog, it's probably not too late to create a Jay Cutler worship site for which he can migrate his compelling rhetoric, kind of like how HJE used to be FLP.
ChuckDickens - Pseubermetrics, which I have absolutely nothing bad to say about. It's a clever and well-done site.
Bort/Jon, who apparently whined a lot because I didn't include a link to his blogs, runs Hitler Getting Punched, contributes on Thunder Matt's Saloon, and also The Slog. Since I like the first two and know nothing of the latter I won't bother to come up with any pointless insults. Sorry for hurting your feelings by leaving you out, Jon. ***END UPDATE***
I'm sure you that you'll enjoy some of those, although I also have a feeling that the guys who own them would rather lose a testicle than take on GROTA readers, who they surely feel are inferior to themselves.