Goatriders of the Apocalypse

Another Counter-Programmer's Blog

So many things to blog about, so little time.  I wanted to write an article defending Sammy Sosa, but it'll have to wait.  I wanted to expand upon my opinion that Lou Piniella isn't helping this team, but there's no time for that just now.  Instead, I will have to regrettably talk about one of our Cubs blogging neighbors, Another Cubs Blog.

Here's the short end of it: they don't like Rob.

Actually, based on what I've seen of their work, they don't really like much of anybody.  I'd say that a tremendous amount of their content is driven by shouting down the opinions of other blogs they don't agree with.  Be it Al Yellon, or Rob, or pretty much anything, ACB seems to not be content driven so much as they are counter-program driven.

The only problem is that it gets old.  I'm sorry, but is it really a big accomplishment to produce content that seems to almost exclusively be anti-everybody?  How is that compelling?  And it's not even like they do it well.

It's as if they want to be the Thought Police.  I don't regularly read their washed-out, want-ads-looking blog but when I do, usually what they seem to harp on is how certain kinds of fans should not be allowed to exist.  As if theirs is a superior fan or something -- and I'm sorry, Dave, Maddog, MB21, whatever you want to call yourself -- there is nothing superior about being a borderline illiterate douchebag with reading comprehension issues. 

On a number of occasions, we've butted heads with Dave while trying to remain cordial.  Which didn't stop him losing his mind when I tried to make him a friendly bet regarding the '09 play of Mark DeRosa and Mike Fontenot, which he tried to turn into a $1,000 bet about the '09 play of Mark DeRosa and Adam Dunn.  He seems to flip between this bipolar point of view that we (GROTA) are either non-comprehensible or we're good, minus the continued existence of Rob (which doesn't stop his hangers-on from taking pissy little shots at this blog whenever we are linked over there).

Not to mention that if I have the gall to show support for Rob -- or any of the writers at GROTA -- Dave's response tends to be "how dare you defend something I criticize!"  As if it's against some kind of bizarre internet rule to have a defensible point of view. 

Anyway, Dave, my message to you is this: you're doing it wrong.  Just "it" in general -- y'know, life.  Existence.  I'm sorry, I mean no offense but anybody whose rhetoric leaves the Bad News Cubs statfag douchebag with a sense of vindication has to be a total flipping moron.  Maybe -- instead of shouting down contrary opinions to your own -- you should spend less time reading writers you can't stand and more time developing original thoughts.  (It's just an idea to explore, don't get mad)

People expressing contrary opinions is not a bad thing.  People getting so violently upset about contrary opinions that they suggest suicide to the opinion-makers, however, is not a good thing

Of course, you're welcome to your opinion.  I'm sure you'll be expressing it later today.  I can only promise you that whether you express that opinion incoherently on your blog, or in an EMail to me, or even as a comment here on GROTA, I will not be reading it.  You know how you sometimes say that you will no longer be reading this blog or that blog because they're so idiotic?  Congratulations, your Counter-Programming Blog has reached that level with me -- and unlike you, I actually enjoy not reading things that I find to be completely devoid of compelling content.  Which means that, if I am lucky, Dave, I will never have to read something you write ever again

In the meantime, while you are busy playing the Thought Police, I can't help but note that while you are not Rob's biggest fan, you will probably remain his most ardent reader.  Thanks for that, we appreciate the links.

Picking my teeth with the bones of the slain...

...and I still think Geo Soto was irresponsible for coming in fat as a hog, I still think Milton Bradley needs to yank his head out of his rectum, and I still think Lou Piniella is succumbing to the early stages of senility. I also now think Fukudome is a bust, and I am sorry I ever heard his name.

But at least I'm not going to bitch anymore about You-Know-Who, the Swollen One. Enjoy your little victories whenever you can, Dave. That's what being a Cub fan is all about.

/belch

//continues picking teeth

ACB

I normally ignore all this crap, but I'll go on record as saying they were way out of line. Keep up the good work, Rob.

Also, I agree with Jason. I never really liked Sammy, but I got pretty excited when he was hitting homeruns... and I LOVED the summer of '98, so I'm culpable.

BTW - since this all went

BTW - since this all went down somebody from over there has been sneaking over here with IP anonymizers. I'm not really sure why they aren't willing or able to man up and do things out in the open, but the again I think we've all learned already that they are not exactly people to be admired.

Now this is just getting sad

Look Kurt, I don't presume to speak for anyone over at ACB here - this is just my opinion.

Rob being an awful writer with terrible opinions is, in itself, not very noteworthy. There's a million similar fans out there, many of whom have terrible blogs of their own or comment on blogs around the nets.

The reason it stands out here is that this is otherwise a pretty good blog, with some very talented, insightful and interesting writers. Rob's very presence here harms the credibility of the blog and, more than anything, that's just unfortunate. But hey it's your blog - I don't personally read it because I don't find it credible for that reason, and really just tuned in today because of the "drama".

BTW - since this all went down somebody from over there has been sneaking over here with IP anonymizers. I'm not really sure why they aren't willing or able to man up and do things out in the open, but the again I think we've all learned already that they are not exactly people to be admired.

I'm not sure what's more hilarious about this, that you have the notion that using a web proxy is somehow inherently nefarious and indicative that the browser is a party to some sort of unspecified no-good plot to sabotage the site, or the image of you sitting there hitting refresh on the access logs desperately trying to see who's coming here to read the article.

And my opinion is that, if

And my opinion is that, if ACB is your preferred blog, then you are a person of incredibly bland tastes whose readership I would prefer not to have here. Much like the rest ACB, you bring absolutely nothing to the table but to counter-program the content of others and that's just not something we want or need.

If you dislike something on this blog -- or any blog, for that matter -- then probably the best place to voice that opinion is at this website, where they specialize in that sort of thing. Here we actually create content and blog about the Cubs.

Ok dude. Good luck with your blog or whatever.

Departing pro-tip: you may want to look up what "counter-programming" actually means. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Why do you care so much?

I read pretty much all of the Cubs blogs and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Here there is usually a more representative sample of fans than the other blogs. ACB is a more conversational blog- like guys in a bar talking- than other places.
Same general topic, but different enough to be not even comparable in my mind.

What strikes me about this dust up is how you are reacting. ACB, as you have noted commonly critiques other bloggers, writers, etc. I've not seen you do that until now- maybe I've missed it. Why you would loose it over this isn't clear to me.

This isn't your finest hour. In today's incident, the ACB guy hasn't said anything about you that could be considered offensive, yet you responded as you did. Rob certainly would have every right to be as angry as you seem to be, and if this post had been written by him, I wouldn't have thought anything was perculiar about it. If Rob was offended he doesn't strike me as afraid to confront the offender.

ACB, like GROTA, allows all kinds of differing opinions to be expressed- your "Thought Police" theme is far off the mark. Angry, over the top, even offensive could be used to describe a lot of the commentary there and that's what makes it interesting.

This post is like a Dad coming to rescue his kid from the bullies on the playground and then trying to bully the bullies. Plus, everything you accuse ACB of doing is on display in this post. It really is sad and weak. Write about baseball- you're good at that.

What is it about Rob getting criticized that makes you wet yourself? Other writers here have been criticized and you didn't come to save the day. Special relationship I guess. Whatever.

Ah, another exciting case of

Ah, another exciting case of "how dare you defend a criticism levied against you!"

Except, like a pro, you've taken it to the next level, to "not only shall ACB be permitted to lambaste anybody they want, but you are forbidden to lambaste them even though I read their blog as well as yours and I shouldn't be upset to see lambasting elsewhere!" That said, anybody can be a counter-programmer. Get back to me when ACB actually says or does something compelling, rather than reactionary.

Anyway, you are assuredly welcome to go and find a case in which "other writers here" have been criticized that I didn't "come to save the day." It's okay, I'll wait. I can promise you that if such a situation exists it's because I didn't know about it.

By the way -- you are guilty of the very thing you are criticizing me for. Dave acts like a complete nutjob over something Rob wrote and I defended Rob. I criticized Dave and you're here defending him. The difference? I'm not a nutjob. Maybe you should take a closer look at your online friendships.

Except, like a pro, you've

Except, like a pro, you've taken it to the next level, to "not only shall ACB be permitted to lambaste anybody they want, but you are forbidden to lambaste them even though I read their blog as well as yours and I shouldn't be upset to see lambasting elsewhere!" That said, anybody can be a counter-programmer. Get back to me when ACB actually says or does something compelling, rather than reactionary.

I don't know, I think that having Harry with pitch F/X stuff (though he posts for every single site on the internet it seems lol), Shawn (though he also posts elsewhere), Dave with the WAR stuff and a few of Tango's things, the minor league reports from Jame Gumb/Ryno, and a few things here and there from Colin when he's not posting here at GROTA or elsewhere make ACB an interesting place to be just from a Baseball/Saber side of things.

Most people at ACB are pretty radical in terms of their beliefs about baseball.

Shawn pointed this out on BCB a long time ago, but the complete and utter lack of moderation from Maddog is a lightning rod for douchebags who have an interest in Sabermetrics and baseball and are willing to say shit and spew out some vitrol about anyone or anything. Admittedly, most of us act like asshats and enjoy doing so, but don't mistake profanity for lack of intelligence or originality.

Come on, your suprised by or getting upset with people who frequent a site that makes it a badge of honor to be banned by Herr Yellon and relishes the fact (i.e. quotes him constantly in mocking fashion) that someone has made a blog specifically to hate on ACB (good ole Hawk). This is what we do over there.

No one is demanding Rob stop posting here, a bunch of us are simply curious what he adds to this site that you (Kurt), Jason, and Colin don't provide. What a bunch of us have said is basically this: Rob can have this opinion about Sammy or his derranged opinions about baseball, but we think his opinions are asinine and don't deserve to be taken seriously. The only difference between what I just said and what has been said on ACB is that on ACB it's usually louder(metaphorically speaking), angrier, with a lot more fist shaking, and with a sprinkling of douchebag on top.
For God's sake the banner on ACB has this quote:

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

Also,

I'm sorry, I mean no offense but anybody whose rhetoric leaves the Bad News Cubs statfag douchebag with a sense of vindication has to be a total flipping moron.

Really, because Hawk (who's long history of ignoring facts in favor of his own opinions is legendary) claims he's vindicated, he is? The Hawk is mindless, curmudgeony asshole. He's such an asshole he couldn't even stay at ACB. By your standards that would mean he's subhuman.

And here's my last thing about Rob, amount of readers you can get from spouting shit doesn't = intellectual ability or journalistic ability. If reading a person's work to criticize them means he or she is really good at his or her job, then Michael Shur (and anyone who read FJM religiously) reading Bill Plascke and Joe Morgan's crap must mean they are really good at their jobs too.

Sorry, was somewhere in there

Sorry, was somewhere in there a defense of Dave calling another person "a piece of shit" racist who should kill himself?

The irony of the ACB banner is that it promotes people expressing opinions while the person who runs the blog seems to enjoy nothing more than seeking and destroying opinions he doesn't agree with. (Which, again, is extremely problematic as reading comprehension is not one of his strengths, not by a long shot)

As I say... opinions, good. Insulting death-pleas, bad. Defend ACB, hate ACB, love ACB, quit GROTA, love GROTA, hate Rob, fellate Rob, it doesn't matter. MB21 is a psychotic-off-his-meds douchebag whose arrogant, counter-programming writings I hope to never stumble across again in my life. Actually he should see this as good news because it means he can say whatever he wants about anybody at GROTA and I won't dispute him! Everybody wins!

I'll say this more concisely

I'll say this more concisely because apparently your reading comprehension is pretty bad too.

Opinions are great to have and my opinion is that Rob is full of shit. That's the general concensus over at ACB as well. No one should say that Rob can't have his opinion, but no one should say that we can't think he's a fucking moron either. Dave's just saying what most people on ACB are saying... just with harsher langauge (if that's possible).

Shawn and I are in the same boat on this, I don't agree with how Dave goes about some of his criticisms (though I have less of a problem with what he says than Shawn does), but I do agree with his general opinion about Rob.. I don't read what Rob has to say often, but most of it leaves me felling like I wasted a bunch of time on things I could read in the comments section of BCB if I really wanted.

You got yourself into a shit slinging competition with the people that you've professed as the kings of shit slinging. Seems to me like you got what you asked for. If Rob wants to defend himself on ACB when someone says something about him that's fine, but let Rob do that. He doesn't seem to care, why do you? Otherwise, let me read my shit slinging and muck raking in peace and it seems that you'll let us do that now when it concerns Rob.

If you're going to claim the

If you're going to claim the moral high ground:

Sorry, was somewhere in there a defense of Dave calling another person "a piece of shit" racist who should kill himself?

Maybe you should have, you know, the moral high ground:

Anyway, Dave, my message to you is this: you're doing it wrong. Just "it" in general -- y'know, life. Existence. I'm sorry, I mean no offense but anybody whose rhetoric leaves the Bad News Cubs statfag douchebag with a sense of vindication has to be a total flipping moron. Maybe -- instead of shouting down contrary opinions to your own -- you should spend less time reading writers you can't stand and more time developing original thoughts. (It's just an idea to explore, don't get mad)

MB21 is a psychotic-off-his-meds douchebag whose arrogant, counter-programming writings I hope to never stumble across again in my life.

Again I don't necessarily like that Dave told rob to go play in the bath and plug in the toaster or when he called him a piece of shit, but I recently told BLou to decapitate his scrotum with a rusty spoon so I don't really have any moral leverage to bring to bear here.

double post

whoops double post

And instead of Counter-Programming you might want to have used the word Counter-Culture or Anti-Establishment as they more readily fit what you are trying to say. Just a thought.

Geez

Wow, you are really very sensitive. I apologize for offending you.

Dave at ACB is not my friend, nor do I have online friendships. I read his blog, like I read yours. I expressed my opinion, that's all.

I had no idea you had difficulty with criticism - if I knew I would have been more polite.
Or maybe this is too sensitive of a subject for you.

This is silly and unimportant. Have a nice day- you can have a snarky last word at my expense if you'd like - I'll not read or respond.

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